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amypowerhands wrote:I must admit, I was a bit shocked to hear the stories of people having physically violent emotional releases, and a bit dismayed at the stories regarding the John Barnes seminars. Boy, am I glad I've had the chance to read up on other experiences first. I may at some point still go, but will definately have backround knowledge first. I would hate to have that type of experience as my first introduction to MFR.
Maestra wrote:If you're open to releasing old traumas then yes, you sometimes can have a dramatic unwinding. But if you're not ready for it, then someone else can't make it happen. If I may quote John Barnes from his book, Healing Ancient Wounds: The Renegade's Wisdom ... "Myofascial Unwinding helps bring this information to a conscious level, allowing patients to reexperience it and let go, if they chose."
amypowerhands wrote:I still have not heard comment on the realbodywork dvd - anyone seen it?
amypowerhands wrote:One burning question that I still have is this: I have worked with many clients who have had what I call emotional releases. They may cry, laugh, change breathing, sigh etc. This has never happened during deep work, almost always it happens with the Swedish warm up, and almost always it happens when I am working on the clients right arm.
amypowerhands wrote:Do masters of MFR consider these emotional releases to be the same process no matter what the modality, or do MFR masters think there is a difference?
amypowerhands wrote:My students really have a hard time grasping the concept that someone could get emotional at all on the table. It is always an interesting conversation to have.
amypowerhands wrote:stories of the emotional components of this modality and not so many physical stories about this modality.
goodtouch2 wrote:...belittling your community.
Barbara wrote:I am also a JFB MFR practitioner and have been doing the work full time for over 7 years.
goodtouch2 wrote: A number of Canadian massage therapists who have taken this seminar and have been able to demonstrate competency in this area of treatment, have gotten the massage governing laws in their provinces rewritten to allow them to now treat inside the pelvis.
Seriously, where in Canada are RMTs performing internal pelvic techniques?
Also there is a 50% discount on any class that one wants to repeat to get a deeper understanding of the work, do others offer that?
This is a great policy. Just so you're aware, yes there are certainly other teachers who make similar offers -- Taya Countryman's SRT classes where the second "take" is 20% of the original price, and the third "take" is free.
Do other MFR or body work seminars really give you something that provides for the long lasting benefits that patients end up on your table looking for? We see so many patients and therapists at our facilities that have run the course of all types of bodywork and traditional healthcare with little or no lasting benefit.
OK, watch your step -- basically you just said that nothing but JFB MFR has lasting benefit for the client. I have no doubt that your modality does do this for many clients. Just don't even imply that nothing else does. We ALL see clients for whom we are the last stop on a long train of therapies that haven't worked for them. This is true for MTs, PTs, acupuncturists, surgeons, pharmacists, you name it. Everything works for somebody.
goodtouch2 wrote: There are many MFR courses out there and many are 12-15 hours long, so people should understand that eventhough JFB classes are higher in cost, you are also getting more class content (20 hours is the norm for his professional classes).
I guess my statement about the lasting potential of MFR should have been preceded with "My view as a Physical Therapist with 20 years of clinical experience is that , when speaking about bodywork is...." So take out Phamacists and doctors because their licensure, practice acts, and abilities to diagnosis cannot be compared to ours, right? Besides, they do not do what we do , so why even bring them into the discussion? But in the world of body work and all the seminars I have taken , I have never seen anything that addresses the totality of the patient like the JFB approach does.
Yes, everything may work for somebody ( I really do not believe in that statement), but to what level of "work" are you looking to achieve.
John states in his seminars repeatedly that all forms of body work have their place and value, that we need good therapists and doctors , surgeons, etc.. But when it comes to what I can offer a patient as a PT or MT , this form of therapy is the most comprehensive and effective choice out there.
I am not going to bore you with all the seminars and classes I have taken, but I have experienced most of what is out there in the field of manual therapy.
Alot of manual courses out there are systematic and protocol driven in their approach. In my opinion, this limits you to just doing techniques and prevents true therapeutic artistry.
To quote from Taya Countryman's website, "Understand the 3 structures that are culprits in thoracic outlet syndrome." This lets you think that only 3 areas can cause TOS, but we all know it can come from many, many other areas of the body. For years I was told when you have a TOS patient , look for an extra rib, scalenus anticus muscle or poor posture but even after addressing these areas, symptoms still persist.
John teaches find the pain and look elsewhere for the cause.
After his seminars I started looking at the totality of the patient and started there. I broadening my scope , started balancing pelvises, opening dural tubes, intra-oral work, etc. Again, outcomes dramactically improved.
Breathe wrote:goodtouch2 wrote:To quote from Taya Countryman's website, "Understand the 3 structures that are culprits in thoracic outlet syndrome." This lets you think that only 3 areas can cause TOS, but we all know it can come from many, many other areas of the body. For years I was told when you have a TOS patient , look for an extra rib, scalenus anticus muscle or poor posture but even after addressing these areas, symptoms still persist.
Having not taken TC's classes, and only looked on her website, I'm not certain if this is an intentionally misleading generalization from you or not. IME, most classes tell you to first look at the most obvious potential causes for common syndromes. If that doesn't solve the mystery, they don't stop there. Every treatment in the world is like this. If a patient has pain in their leg, doesn't it make sense to look at the leg first? Isn't it a little nuts to start with the ear canal? I'd be surprised if TC stopped with only three causes if it doesn't provide a solution. Maybe someone who has taken the class could enlighten us.
goodtouch2 wrote:Also there is a 50% discount on any class that one wants to repeat to get a deeper understanding of the work, do others offer that? Do other MFR or body work seminars really give you something that provides for the long lasting benefits that patients end up on your table looking for?
Yes, even when doing a relaxation massage, I'll incorporate an arm pull. It may not last as long as during an MFR session, and, I must admit that my tiny room does not give a leg pull justice.amypowerhands wrote:One of those questions is this - Do you use arm and leg pulls?
No....but I wonder if you are working too hard? This also could be a call to strrengthen yourself.Do you experience fatigue while performing them? How do you handle it if you do? I am really having difficulty with this, as holding an isometric contraction makes me shake.
StressSolutions wrote:amypowerhands wrote:Do you experience fatigue while performing them? How do you handle it if you do? I am really having difficulty with this, as holding an isometric contraction makes me shake.
No....but I wonder if you are working too hard? This also could be a call to
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