Wanted Advanced Muscle Reconditioning or NeuroSoma therapist

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Wanted Advanced Muscle Reconditioning or NeuroSoma therapist

Postby delpha on Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:15 pm

Hi,

As a chronic low back pain sufferer, I've done a lot of research on the connection between back pain and disc problems - but I still don't see the connection.

I found this guy Brian Bronk on YouTube and the internet...I like his ideas and I know they come from this guy named Thomas Griner (who invented the 'Bio-pulser' and his massage technique he calls NeuroSoma).

However, I can't find a therapist for any of these techniques in Portland Oregon.

Can someone help me?
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Re: Wanted Advanced Muscle Reconditioning or NeuroSoma therapist

Postby maestra on Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:31 pm

While I do know of some Massage Therapists in the Portland Oregon area, I do not know of anyone who is trained in AMR.

I suggest you contact Dr. Bronk himself to find someone who has received training from him or bought his book (available via amazon.com).
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Re: Wanted Advanced Muscle Reconditioning or NeuroSoma therapist

Postby JasonE on Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:38 pm

Back pain is rarely a direct result of "disc problems" - and many people with "disc problems" never have back pain. Though a bulged/herniated disc CAN affect spinal nerves, it takes an MRI to know if this is truly the problem at hand.

What we do know for certain is that the brain is receiving certain information, and then (for whatever reason) the brain is interpreting that information as painful. The greater the CNS arousal, the more likely you are to experience pain. If the CNS arousal can be downregulated, you are likely to experience less (if any) pain. There are many ways this may potentially be achieved. Massage/bodywork is a great option.

A recent metastudy of existing research concluded that, for nonspecific low back pain, massage is more effective at pain reduction than acupuncture, physical therapy, exercise, and a number of other alternative treatments. I don't recall if chiropractic was mentioned in the study.

Better news: A variety of styles of massage/bodywork were included in the research, and all provided superior results... though it was noted that more experienced/qualified MTs provided better results.

So, while the particular method(s) you are asking about may not be available to you at this time, you may well find relief from another type of massage therapist in your area. :)
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Re: Wanted Advanced Muscle Reconditioning or NeuroSoma therapist

Postby pueppi on Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:32 am

We have some well trained therapists on the board from Oregon, even if not in the modality you are searching for.

Possibly Breathe Bodywork can help you.
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Re: Wanted Advanced Muscle Reconditioning or NeuroSoma therapist

Postby sambking on Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:32 pm

I live in NJ and had an excruciatingly painful left hip problem that started at the end of Feb 2010. You can read my story at: http://www[dot]musclespasms[dot]wordpress[dot]com
Neurosoma (http://www[dot]neurosoma[dot]com) neuro-musclular massage is amazing. I was lucky in that there is a doctor in NYC who practices neurosoma massage and is very good at it (Dr. Joe Bonavoglia).

Too bad that you are in Portland. There are no neurosoma practitioners there at the moment. If you can get to LA you can have Thomas Griner himself work on you. He is VERY expensive but he is your best bet. Go to the neurosoma website and see the list (very few practice neurosoma) of neurosoma practitioners. There are a few others in the LA area that know the technique. Thomas Griner has a book that explains the basics of the technique. Get the book and see if you can find a massage therapist in your area that will try the technique out on you. Brian Bronk's book can help as well. I have spoken to Brian. He is a nice guy who studied with Griner twenty years ago and has been practicing his own form of Griner's technique. Search for both on the net and read as much as you can about each method.

I don't know what I would have done if I had not found neurosoma. My pain was so acute that I couldn't drive or sit in a chair for three months without experiencing unbearable pain.

Good luck! I hope that you can find someone who will give it a try.

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Re: Wanted Advanced Muscle Reconditioning or NeuroSoma therapist

Postby JasonE on Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:29 am

Does OP "Delpha" = "sambking" ? :smt017
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Re: Wanted Advanced Muscle Reconditioning or NeuroSoma therapist

Postby daves on Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:06 pm

Hope I'm not too late to respond, delpha. Don't despair.

I live in LA. I have seen Griner for 4 years. I also own and use his Biopulser on myself and family/friends effectively. He is the real deal. Integrity is the word that comes to mind. This technique is as effective as the other poster stated. Some of his ideas will seem foreign to your way of thinking. You would do well to listen, since you will eventually find out he really knows what he is talking about. If you don't listen, your body will let you know he's right.

My suggestion to you is to first purchase the Biopulser and use it on yourself. It's Griner in a box. Good instructions are on the website www[dot]biopulser[dot]com. Don't be intimidated. I don't know anatomy or physiology, and it has been effective for me and others. If used correctly, it will be highly effective and you should be able to get a pretty good resolution. You do not use it more than every 5 days and I would suggest waiting 3 weeks after the first use to let your muscles adjust after the treatment. Then gradually use the machine more frequently until you can do it every 5 days. The 3 days following the treatments are critical. You must walk at least 2 times, :45 each per day to flush lactic acid. Resist temptations to go beyond your range of motion limitations. You will be rewarded with an gradually (sometimes dramatically) increasing range of motion and less limitations each time after use.

Ideally, some time after you use the machine, you would go see him. If the machine does not seem to work well, I guarantee it's you and not the machine. You'll see him and then the light will go on. He'll use you as an example. You could probably see him as little as 2 times a year in addition to the Biopulser. This is the best strategy because you can relax alot of the muscles yourself. Then, when you do see Griner, he can relax the more complicated areas and point out your problems. His knowledge of your condition will impress you (can't say enough here). By doing it yourself, you will have practiced and, when he treats you, you will learn more from him each time you see him. He will support your independence.

There is no timetable to resolution. How long it takes to resolve will depend on many factors. I won't rewrite the book here.

Hope I was helpful. I don't get on the internet real frequent, but I'll check back. Happy to answer any questions. I'd wish you good luck, but you'll find luck will play no role here. Mostly, you can control this yourself. You can do it.
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Re: Wanted Advanced Muscle Reconditioning or NeuroSoma therapist

Postby deClumpa on Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:35 am

from the reviews on amazon, it appears advanced muscle reconditioning is quite accessible. even to those with no background in massage.
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